Speaking about Scharnhorst and Gneisenau thier basic guns layout was 3×3 280 mm. Gerhard Johann David von Scharnhorst (* 12. The Action off Lofoten was a naval battle fought between the German Kriegsmarine and the British Royal Navy off the southern coast of the Lofoten Islands, Norway during World War II. Her guns hit hard and can overmatch (pen the bows regardless of angle) all Tier 5 and 6 ships she faces however her accuracy, even at midrange leaves a bit to be desired. Das gleiche 'Problem' ist auch bei der Gegenüberstellung zwischen Scharnhorst und Gneisenau aufgetreten. Hallo liebe Ostasienfreunde, nachdem ich gestern den Baubericht meiner beiden Schwestern vollenden konnte, möchte ich Euch hier noch ein paar Galeriebilder präsentieren... Unser Forum... Im Bau: Feuerschiff Amrumbank Tsingtau 1911 Gesammelte Werke. Die Gneisenau wurde in der Nacht vom 26. auf den 27. In the meantime, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were stationed in Brest, France, Bismarck was getting ready for raids on the Atlantic and Tirpitz was finishing her sea trials and getting ready for commissioning. Both ships have fairly average torpedo protection of 22% so you will need to keep your wits about you when it comes to handling other wiggly equipped boats. Scharnhorst is the exact opposite, more guns, lower calibre and more secondary barrels but with a longer average firing rate and shorter range. Bow and Stern armour is your Tier VI standard with 25mm however, this only covers the top two-thirds of the bow as they also sport “ice breaker” armour in the form of 70mm plating on the lower third. Die Scharnhorst war das erste nach dem Ersten Weltkrieg in Deutschland gebaute Schlachtschiff. The only exception is the Smoke Firing Penalty which is 13.4km in Gneisenau and 10.7km in Scharnhorst. With Hipper as your Gneisenau, you can mitigate the infamous “German Accuracy” and still maintain a decent secondary range - here you will need to play her at midrange, accuracy is too much of a troll at long range and your turret traverse will bite you in the arse at point-blank range. Both ships share the same armour scheme and are some of the toughest ships at their tier featuring an underwater, turtleback armoured citadel snuggled away beneath the comforting embrace of your mo...wait...a 350mm armour belt and 45mm upper belt as well. Außerdem sind die Dimensionen viel kleiner. Beide Schiffe kamen bei verschiedenen Operationen de… Otto Ciliax -> Brawler, Porcupine, Firefighter, Master Mechanic, your choice of Legendary with Hipper and EITHER Madden or Lee or Scheer. If going brawler, I would highly recommend equipping the Rudder Shift Mod to bring that down to a slightly more respectable 13s for the Scharnhorst and 13.2s for her sister - chucking on “Running with Scissors” if you don’t care about long-range accuracy can reduce that further to 11.6s and 11.8s. *If you have not selected a Legendary, then don’t until you max him out so you can use Farsight as you will still have a net gain of plus one Repair Party as well as +15% torp detection. Das Unternehmen Cerberus (auch einfach der Kanaldurchbruch genannt) war der erfolgreiche Durchbruch der deutschen Kriegsschiffe Scharnhorst, Gneisenau und Prinz Eugen durch den Ärmelkanal im Februar 1942. The time of heavy ships was irrevocably gone and the history of German battlecruisers ended with that one. Being fast in a straight line does however come with a downside in that neither are particularly good at changing direction (just ask the US Battleships up to this tier - they have exactly the opposite problem). In the meantime, Scharnhorst and Tirpitz remained the only serviceable vessels that could sail to Norway. Tested in Update 0.5.9. Die Scharnhorst-Klasse war die erste Klasse von Schlachtschiffen, die nach dem Ersten Weltkrieg in Deutschland gebaut wurde. Gneisenau - JSC & Co - 1:250. Scharnhorst and Gneisenau could make 32 knots, superior to most of the ships of the Royal Navy, not to mention their own destroyer escort! When it comes to these two sisters, their primary difference as mentioned above is their firepower as most of the other stats are minor tweaks one way or another. Biete hier siehe Bild 3mal 2 cm Vierling Versand bezahlt der Empfänger. However, staying on the French coast, they constantly were under the threat of airstrikes. Die „Scharnhorst“ und ihr Schwesterschiff „Gneisenau“ waren die ersten Schlachtschiffe, mit denen das Dritte Reich die im Versailler Vertrag festgesetzten Grenzen deutlich überschritten hatte. (for this one, you can swap out Steering for Propulsion if you want). Siehe auch hier: S.M.S. Oktober 1760 in Schildau; 23. They were fast battleships, with an true emphasis on speed over protection. If you want to go full meme Hyde has a couple of brawler variations - speccing full turret traverse has some nasty numbers for your enemies if you want to meme them with 14.1s traverse and 18.4s reload. However, staying on the French coast, they constantly were under the threat of airstrikes. In April 1940, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were assigned to help cover the German landings in Norway. Gneisenau, in my opinion, is definitely more the mid-range brawler, keeping to just beyond her secondary range to give her that little bit more time to react due to her weaker turning and traverse characteristics. Im Februar 1942 gelang die Rückkehr durch den Ärmelkanal. She does share the same secondary armament as the A Hull Gneisenau with four single 150mm mounts, four twin 150mm turrets and seven twin 128mm guns with a 5km range and reloads of 3.4s for the smaller calibre guns and 7.5s for the large ones. 2017 | Neue Bausatzform + … The Japanese Aircraft Carrier. *(Recommended for Gneisenau in particular if you don’t have Hyde), Franz Von Hipper ->Flammable Cannonier, Gyrating Drill Bits, Marksman, Emergency Specialist, Will to Rebuild, *(Recommend for Scharnhorst in particular if you don’t have Hyde). Ciliax on Scharnhorst with the full brawler emphasises your already great turret traverse and reload and makes the ship an excellent close-range brawler so long as you angle carefully, = Bristling with secondaries but still only 5km base, = One triple torpedo launch on each side for defence, - ...low caliber guns will struggle at range, - Ponderous rudder shift and wide turning circle. Scharnhorst, on the other hand, comes with a set of three modestly sized triple 283mm rifles which although they are definitely more accurate than Gneisenau at range, there are a few characteristics of the guns that I would argue make her not ideal as a sniper. The completed project of the fourth Panzerschiffe ‘D’ (Ersatz Elsaß) was suspended and its implementation postponed to 1931-1934. Be aware though, the torpedo launch is next to your superstructure and has a really bad habit of getting knocked out at the most inconvenient of times…usually as you’re about to do a drive-by through the neighbourhood to do a dirty on some unsuspecting battleships. Bildband im Atlasgrossformat. August Wilhelm Anton Graf Neidhardt von Gneisenau (* 27. In terms of hitpoints, Gneisenau tops the scales slightly with 58,200 with sneaking in behind at Scharnhorst 56,300 this does, in fact, put them both in the bottom three, only beating out Lyon when compared to their peers - but it's their armour scheme where these ships truly shine. And while, for all intents and purposes, you may have a non-existent citadel...your broadside plating will arm pretty much every battleship shell known to man! 08.02.2021. Sie bestand aus zwei Schiffen  der Scharnhorst und der Gneisenau. The Kriegsmarine battleships, in fact, were only four vessels introduced during 1935-1941. Gneisenau gets three twin 380mm rifles with a base firing range of 16.1km, 26s reload and 36s traverse speed and when fully upgraded, is supplemented by eleven twin 128mm secondary guns with 5.3km range and 4s reload. November 1914 traf das deutsche Geschwader auf ein britisches Geschwader unter Konteradmiral Sir Christopher Cradock. And if you really don’t give two hoots, try Scheer with Steer Clear and reel it in even more to 10.6s and 10.7s for Scharnhorst and Gneisenau respectively (he is, in fact, a meme build for Gneisenau if you gotta go fast!). Beiträge: 551: Punkte: 732: Registriert am: 19.10.2015: Top. The career of Bismarck ended with her sinking though she had successfully attacked British convoys before. Englischer Text, 200 Fotos, 309 farbige Illustrationen mit genauen Detail- und Gesamtansichten des Schiffs, maßstabsgetreue Skizzen im Buch, 2 großformatige Pläne mit maßstabsgetreuen Skizzen (1:200) als Beilage, Großformat. … Battleships: Scharnhorst, Gneisenau The Kriegsmarine “terrible twins” The Scharnhost and Gneisenau were the first Kriegsmarine battleships, completed shortly before the start of WW2. In 1943, the battlecruiser Scharnhorst got sunk by British vessels. + Numerous rapid firing secondaries when upgraded... = ...5.3km range that often fire everywhere but at the target, = Defensive Torpedoes for surprise sideways sex with other ships, = Decent traverse and solid reload on her guns…, - Agility can be summed up as “could do better”. Gneisenau can best be described as the ultimate troll ship. Die Gneisenau hatte backbords an der Vorderseite des zweiten Schornsteins ein Dampfrohr, das über das Schornsteingitter hinausragte, während auf der Scharnhorst alle Dampfrohre unterhalb der Schornsteinoberkanten endeten. As the consequence of that defeat, the German … Situational awareness and knowing where the destroyers are as well as making use of your fantastic armour scheme are things you really need to keep at the forefront of your mind. Next up is the traverse speed and the reload, these are class-leading with a 20s base reload and a 25s rotation speed making her excellently suited to snapshots in close quarters. When she works, she is utterly amazing and can be a right ball but when she throws a tantrum, she will let you know about it and you will suffer. Scharnhorst eingeschossen. During this appointment, they agreed on empowering the future German fleet, which by the end of 1938 featured 6 Panzerschiffe, 6 cruisers, 6 destroyers, a flotilla of torpedo boats, 3 flotillas of patrol boats and, in case of the beneficial political situation, 16 U-boats. Battleships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau vol. Topp Zustand! 2017 | Neue Bausatzform + Aktionen Stash. LittleWhiteMouse in the Gneisenau from the NA forums. Die Indienststellungen erfolgten 1938 und 1939. The first two, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, were ready before the war and two others, Bismarck and Tirpitz, were commissioned into the fleet after it had begun. Interestingly, all these ships served within the period no longer than a fiscal quarter. Gneisenau und S.M.S. Besides, they were suffering from the ever-expanding control of the Atlantic by the Allies. Gneisenau Enclosed Admiral's Bridge, 1942 Operation Cerberus "The Channel Dash" appearance Model Monkey 1:200 200-Gneis Brdg 1942 . Sie greifen an, zweimal. November 1755 in Bordenau bei Hannover; 28. Absolutely...although the 15,000 doubloon asking price is a fairly bitter pill to swallow for what can only be described as “niche gameplay.” If you’re a reversing Iowa or Jean Bart player you’ll want to stay as far away from purchasing as you can. Scharnhorst works very well with a full brawler set up so Ciliax or, Hyde (if you have him) you should be getting around 18s reload and 20-21s rotation on a solid build. August 1831 in Posen) war ein preußischer Generalfeldmarschall und Heeresreformer. According to the intelligence information, the estimated displacement of that ship was approximately 26,000 t. Yet the biggest surprise for Germans was its potential speed of 31 kn. Top Marken | Günstige Preise | Große Auswahl Later on Germans attempted to refit Gneisenau with those dual barrel turrets, but Soviet offensive forced them to scuttle her in order to block entrance to the liberated Polish Gdynia harbour. Scharnhorst and Gneisenau had already been through a baptism of fire, which ended with a little victory on the British sea routes. If the French armed their vessel with eight 330mm guns, it would become stronger than the Deutschland-class units. Gneisenau wurde zum Oberstleutnant befördert und auf Wunsch von Scharnhorst in die Militär-Reorganisationskommission berufen. Bei einem Luftangriff auf Kiel im Februar 1942 wurde die im Dock … This shorter range and faster reloading, faster-turning guns along with the 6km torpedoes in my book encourage a more aggressive playstyle with Scharnhorst. Gneisenau isn’t all that much different with its guns managing 8.07s/5.09s/2.34s with only the 5km result showing a slower 0.02s variance between the AP and HE(e.g. If for some peculiar reason you wish to go full concealment, you can use Scheer with Look At Me Now and have Swirski and Kondo as inspirations to get your detection down to 11.6km and 11km by sea and air. Das ist weder die Scharnhorst, noch die Gneisenau. Die tatsächliche Bewaffnung war 3 x 2 38,1cm, was … The second issue was the lack of a suitable artillery, as the 2,8 cm used since the Deutchsland … Things to remember with Gneisenau is that with only 6 guns, you need to make every shell count which is why I highly recommend building her for accuracy over anything else. The armament was a weak point, both ships carrying 9 11" guns, left over from cancelled pocket battleships. Mit weiteren Offizieren war er mit der Aufklärung … The lower calibre shells will not be able to overmatch the bows of many ships you come across, but in those situations, you can simply take aim at the superstructure - and then by the time you are in position at close range, aim your guns at the citadels of Cruisers and upper belts of Battleships and watch their hit points vanish. Scharnhorst, on the other hand, comes with a set of three modestly sized triple 283mm rifles which although they are definitely more accurate than Gneisenau at range, there are a few characteristics of the guns that I would argue make her not ideal as a sniper. That bold plan of returning is recognised successful; it became a tactical achievement of Germans but there was a strategic failure behind its apparent excellence and heavy cruisers started being gradually withdrawn from combat operations. Beiträge: 553: Punkte: 734: Registriert am: 19.10.2015: Top. Gneisenau has fewer, but bigger main battery guns with slower reload and traverse and, when upgraded, has secondaries which feature an overall faster firing rate, slightly higher damage and longer range, albeit all at 128mm, than her sister. 292 Seiten. Die beiden Schiffe gingen als erste deutlich über die im Versailler Vertrag festgelegten Grenzen hinaus. Well, if you want Bismarck, you will have to go through this ship. Juni 1813 in Prag) war ein preußischer Generalleutnant und Heeresreformer. 12 € Versand möglich. Auf dem Bild ist die Konfiguration genau umgekehrt. Das Schlachtschiff „Gneisenau“ wurde zwischen 1934 und 1938 gebaut und im Mai 1938 in Dienst gestellt. Mit dem Schwesterschiff „Scharnhorst“ zunächst in Nordsee und Nordmeer eingesetzt, gelang im Januar 1941 der Durchbruch in den Atlantik. RE: Große Kr.Scharnhorst +Gneisenau #202 von Michis Mini Marine, 29.01.2020 16:46 Im alten Forum … Die Zeche Scharnhorst wurde nach dem preußischen General Gerhard Johann David von Scharnhorst benannt. The only other Battleship at this tier to keep up is the mighty Hood and she shares top honours with Gneisenau. Since that moment, raids by heavy German battleships became almost impossible to carry out. The Scharnhorst class was a class of German battleships (or battlecruisers) built immediately prior to World War II.The first capital ships of Nazi Germany's Kriegsmarine, it comprised two vessels: Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. The career of Bismarck ended with her sinking though she had successfully attacked British convoys before. Construction works on the third unit (Ersatz Braunschweig) coincided with the start of construction the French battlecruiser Dunkerque. Am 1. Gneisenau Main Battery Rangefinders (set of 3) helps build battleship Gneisenau from Scharnhorst kits.. Model Monkey 1:200 200-Gneise-Rngfndrs . Februar 1942 im Schwimmdock der Deutschen Werke Kiel durch einen Bombentreffer schwer besc… Michi MMM Michis Mini Marine Oberleutnant zur See. DesignThe history of both battlecruisers goes back to the end of 1932. Unter anderem arbeitete er mit General Graf York neue Exerzierinstruktionen für die Infanterie aus. Die ersten zwei Bilder zeigen Gneisenau,siehe Versaufloch . The key thing to playing either of these ships is knowing when to make that push from the midrange to the in-your-face-I’m-gonna-torp-the-shit-out-of-your-arse position. you can easily run 5 charges of the Repair Party on both ships! Modules for all builds are pretty much the same - Secondary Mod, Steering Gears and Target Acquisition. At 32 and 30 knots (33 and 30.9 with booster!) Nach der Teilnahme am Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg 1783 und an der Verteidigung Kolbergs 1807 stieg er in die Militärführung auf und trieb zusammen mit Gerhard David von Scharnhorst die Heeresreform voran. Scharnhorst also has the same issue, albeit to a lesser extent with being able to shift that rudder in 15.9s and turn in 800m. Skwiot, Miroslaw/Motyka, Mariusz The Battleships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. … Henry Hide -> Flammable Cannonier, Porcupine, Marksman, Master Mechanic with Hipper and Cunningham. That was the biggest achievement in the arming of the German navy conducted by A. Hitler. As the consequence of that defeat, the German network of sources on the Atlantic was destroyed. Versand BRD DHL Paket 5 €. Firstly is the penetration - being lower calibre means they lose more penetration at longer ranges and you will often find your shells shattering at even modestly armoured targets from afar. RE: Große Kr.Scharnhorst +Gneisenau #8 von Stefan ( gelöscht ) , 07.12.2015 23:45 Moin Michi, ich habe schon als Gast im anderen Forum in deinem Baubricht … Another issue with Gneisenau is that she can have a tendency to over pen when in close quarters; even if her ability to overmatch most ships she faces can come in really handy. Both ships have good mobility, being two of the three fastest battleships at their tier, however, both suffer from long rudder shifts again being two of the three slowest as well as both having 800m+ turning radius. 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